We've been together since we were teenagers. We're married with two kids, and we record Build Horizons in our basement.
Jeff tells the running story on this first episode: from viscerally hating running to finishing marathons. He also talks about quitting drinking. He has a psychology degree, which is why the show keeps coming back to one question: what do you believe about yourself, and who taught you to believe it?
Katy is here because Jeff kept asking her to start a podcast with him. It was outside her comfort zone and she wasn't sure she needed to do it. She showed up anyway, and the show is a conversation because of it.
Every episode is the two of us talking about the real work of change: identity, fear, failure, and doing the hard thing before you feel ready. We sign off the same way we mean it: we're cheering you on.